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Penguins Karlsson: Counterpoint

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ByThe Other Rick

Aug 7, 2023

Everyone who wanted the Pittsburgh Penguins to acquire Erik Karlsson should never have worried, it was a fait accompli. Once I wrote that I didn’t want that trade to happen, there was no way it wouldn’t go down. Only once over the last 6 frustrating seasons has a Penguin GM done anything I wanted to see occur. Therefore, it was inevitable you would get what you wanted.

On Offense

Please understand, I do agree that Karlsson is now easily the best offensive defenseman on this roster. I am not arguing with you over that. Even if the team had better Defenseman, the laws of probability do suggest the veteran Karlsson would still put up more points than any other D-man on the roster. Last season, the newest Penguin put up personal records (PRs) for goals and points and topped all others at his position for those categories.

However, look at the shape of his career, Karlsson has never really put up two big seasons in a row. After a big offensive output, his numbers dropped the next year.

Yes, Kris Letang did put up 68 points skating with Sidney Crosby. First, those 68 points were with a 35-year-old Crosby who didn’t miss a single game. Crosby is now 36 as of this writing (Happy Birthday captain) and unless coach Mike Sullivan tries to skate two Right-Handed Defensemen (RHD) together, either Karlsson or Letang will not be skating with Crosby. Moreover, if our star pivot gets hurt, neither will be skating with him.

On Ancillary Revenue Streams

I also am not going to argue with those that will suggest that there will be a bump in merchandizing, some fans have already ordered their Karlsson sweater with more to follow. However, that revenue stream would have been much larger had the team brought back Marc-Andre Fleury or plucked the local kid (Vincent Trocheck), last season.

On Defense

Although Our GM, Kyle Dubas, found a way to grab a better offensive Defenseman than Letang, believe it or not, he traded down in terms of defensive acumen. Look at the following tables showing Karlsson’s and Letang’s 5-on-5 CORSI and GF%.

SeasonTeamGPTOICFCACF%GFGAGF%
2009-2010OTT60942.5089874654.62324143.84
2010-2011OTT751303.101256119851.18406239.22
2011-2012OTT811582.621724142254.8816555.48
2012-2013OTT17330.1539127258.9713959.09
2013-2014OTT821626.181817149954.79727648.65
2014-2015OTT821654.331662148952.75766653.52
2015-2016OTT821743.431678158351.46777949.36
2016-2017OTT771496.131440145649.72605452.63
2017-2018OTT711459.401460141050.87618242.66
2018-2019S.J53977.17115079259.22554853.4
2019-2020S.J56989.2894184452.72424548.28
2020-2021S.J52942.3386694347.87385043.18
2021-2022S.J50890.3889490949.58403851.28
2022-2023S.J821667.801770153353.59969650
Total   179471609652.7278381149.1
Table I Erik Karlsson’s Career CORSI and GF%

Despite almost always being on the plus side of the CORSI (11 of 14 seasons), Karlsson has found a way to be on the minus side of the Goal differential only finding a way to be on the plus side half the time (7 of 14 seasons).

SeasonTeamGPTOICFCACF%GFGAGF%
2007-2008PIT63886.7571082846.16312654.39
2008-2009PIT741115.10102999950.74545350.47
2009-2010PIT731165.371285104355.2585252.73
2010-2011PIT821313.471351110055.12564953.33
2011-2012PIT51891.3291776754.45603662.5
2012-2013PIT35619.2362853454.04392263.93
2013-2014PIT37641.0056559248.83192642.22
2014-2015PIT691205.981268101155.64514155.43
2015-2016PIT711350.321425118354.64525050.98
2016-2017PIT41744.5275065553.38323150.79
2017-2018PIT791442.921531124955.07557741.67
2018-2019PIT651252.221378118053.87744761.16
2019-2020PIT611149.931141105951.86595750.86
2020-2021PIT551032.9890391049.81513757.95
2021-2022PIT781504.821488141651.24715655.91
2022-2023PIT641226.481328123751.77525449.06
Total   159581393653.3872963553.45
Table II Kris Letang’s Career CORSI and GF%

Letang on the other hand is exactly the same in terms of CORSI and GF% (13 of 16 Seasons). It is really interesting how consistent Letang’s CORSI and GF% mirror each other, 53.38 CORSI to 53.45 GF% across his career, while Karlsson is less efficient a 52.72 CORSI to 49.10 GF%. And even though Karlsson generated more shot attempts for his team over his career, our new RHD’s CORSI is 0.66 lower than Letang’s CORSI and Karlsson’s GF% is 4.33 lower.

Now, since hockey is not simply scoring Goals, but it is about scoring more goals than your opponent. Keeping that in mind, for those of you that don’t like Letang, well, it can and probably will get worse with Karlsson taking those 5-on-5 shifts.

On Trade able Assets

Unfortunately, the argument that Karlsson will represent a trade asset if the team fails falls short. Karlsson has a full No Movement Clause (NMC). He isn’t going anywhere unless he wants to go. Yes, if he wanted to be traded to the Penguins for “another chance” he would no doubt waive his NMC, unfortunately, he would control the narrative which would limit the bidding. Dubas may be able to attenuate the loss of assets but never recoup all of what he gave up. And more importantly, our Penguins GM would also have to gnaw his arm off in the form of retaining salary as part of the move, should the trade turn Coyote Ugly.

On Age

Karlsson is younger than Jeff Petry (33 vs 36) but a defenseman’s prime is between the ages of 27 and 33, therefore, our Pens don’t get that much younger, more importantly Karlsson is himself on the back end of his career. My friend Rick Buker likened Karlsson to Paul Coffey, but Coffey was only 26 when he came to the Penguins and Coffey had already put up much higher numbers and was a +275 when he got to Pittsburgh.

And perhaps this is the most damning point and why I hate this trade. Our favorite flightless fowl haven’t changed (S.O.P.). They are still chasing the play. There was a day when talking heads marveled that the puck always seemed to follow Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux (and a few other mega talents) around the ice. They would also say the same thing about Michael Jordan and the basketball, following that superstar around the basketball court.

Now, neither the puck, nor the ball follows and player around the stage on which they perform. Those players are just smart enough to know where the puck or ball is going, and they get out in front of it and let the play come to them; while the rest of the field chases.

Unfortunately, for 6 years and counting the black-and-gold have been chasing the play. Rather than getting out in front and finding the next Karlsson and/or Crosby, for 3 consecutive GMs, just like the GMs of the early Penguins and the GMs of late 90s, and early 2000s, our Penguins are opting for fading stars instead of trying to find rising stars. Penguins’ GMs are buying high and trading low.

Since draft picks and prospects in general can be crap shoot, it behooves a GM to have as many draft picks and young college and European Free Agents (FA) as possible. Just like sales, it falls to a numbers game. To find that next Erik Karlsson, a team needs to go through as many prospects as it can lay their hands on. Two players I wanted here in Pittsburgh were Oliwer Kaski, who is now hitting that 27-33 years of age sweet spot and Jake Livingstone, who was signed by the Nashville Predators. Had they signed Kaski and kept Calen Addison like I wanted, it would be doubtful that they would have need for Karlsson.

Now, after screwing that up, they are once again chasing the play by dumping chances to get ahead of the play, in vain hopes of catching up to where the play was last season, not where it is going this year or next.

Even though the 2024 1st round draft pick is top 10 protected, the 2025 pick will not be and if this team fails so bad to drop down into that top 10 draft slot, the following year will also be a top 10 pick that our Penguins will have ceded to San Jose. Rather than being able to climb back to contention immediately, they have sunk those chances.

Bottom Line

Karlsson is a top Offensive talent, good enough to have won several Norris trophies. However, he has always been more than a bit of a liability defensively. Point of fact, Letang has been better defensively than Karlsson, so if you Letang causes you to cringe in the defensive zone, Karlsson is going to take that feeling to a whole new level. In the end, despite all of the glitz and hype, at best, Karlsson only really changes the team from a cellar team to a bubble team at the cost of a serious delay in a rebuild.

I am not asking anyone to agree with me. Over the last 6 seasons, not too many people have agreed with me, they chose to agree with the Penguins’ GMs. So, it is what it is; a different point of view.

Addendum

Sorry, I forgot to talk about Salary Cap. Dubas only saved about $3 million in Cap space this season but added $10 million in Cap for 3 more seasons. You can argue that if Karlsson keeps putting up 100 points per season, it could be worth it but is that a real possibility? How more 100 point seasons do you really think a 33 year old RHD can put up, especially considering last season was his only one. Furthermore, as I mentioned above, with a full NMC, he isn’t going to be that easy to move, or at least to get value in return.

7 thoughts on “Penguins Karlsson: Counterpoint”
  1. Nice article here, Rick. I’m hoping Karlsson could transform the Penguins power play from one that 21.72% to one that can score at a rate of at least 25%. For a team to score one of every four power plays, that would put them in the top five in accordance to last year’s power play performance by teams. I don’t know if the Penguins can approach Edmonton’s ~32%, but I am hoping for a significant bump from last year. At times the PP last year felt like it gave the other team momentum, such as when the opponents would get 2-1 rushes and nearly score. Maybe with new roles and new quarterback (Karlsson) things will change for the better. The Penguins last year were second in the league for power play opportunities, per Hockey Reference.

    I also hope with EK65 that the Penguins will post a better Overtime + Shootout record.

    1. Hey Bold Ruler,

      Thanks, But consider these points;
      1) Although a better QB for the PP is needed, it also needs a net front presence, something this team hasn’t had since Hornqvist. so it may get a little better, but not what it was like without Karlsson, when it had Hornqvist.
      2) As bad as the Karlsson is 5-on-5, he needs to be that effective on the PP just to get back the Goals he cost at even strength. Therefore it becomes a wash.

    2. Hey Bold Ruler,

      Wanted to check before I wrote this but Karlsson only scored about 0.5 more points on the PP than Letang last season (5.84 to 5.45). Over the course of their careers Karlsson’s Primary Points (Goals + Primary Assits)/60 minutes on the PP are only slightly higher than Letang’s 2.86 to 2.67 while his team PP Goals For/60 minutes is actually lower; 6.61 to 8.14. The difference in TGF/60 may attributed to a couple of seasons with lower quality Fs than Letang, but the point is, we shouldn’t expect any huge changes in PP production. The differences of changing just 1 man (Letang) for another (Karlsson) are not that earth shattering to qualitatively say any real change will occur.

  2. Pretty sure Paul Coffey after he was 33 lead two teams to the Stanley Cup finals, won a Norris Trophy and did the rarely done lead a team in scoring as a defenseman. I’m fine if that’s all Karlsson does while he is here. BTW, I think Karlsson lead his team in scoring last year by 30 some points didn’t he?

    1. Exactly Phil, came down here to type something similar but you seem to have beat me to it.
      To add another example of Norris performers and cup performers after the age of 33 would be Lidstrom who won I think two or three Norris Trophies after that age and one of those I believe came at 40.

      We didn’t get Karlsson for defense and we don’t need him for that. We were starved for offense, welp now that’s fixed.

      It’s clear the Penguins aren’t going to play defense, which is fine if you can outscore your opponent 6-5, which has been the Penguin way for almost 30 years. The Oilers are doing it, Pens are going to try to do the same, and if Jarry returns to form and the bottom 6 is full of more defensive forwards maybe we won’t even have to outscore that much.

      But as I said in my article, I think Karlsson puts the Penguins in the playoffs.

      1. Hey Caleb,
        Forgot about Lidstrom. Your last two articles were fun reads! Bold Ruler makes a good point up above about the powerplay. If the Pens are lights out on the powerplay, other teams will also be playing a safer game against the Pens knowing a good chance a penalty could cost them a goal.

        90% of Jarry’s practice should be breakaways lol.

    2. Phil and Caleb

      Actually Coffey won his last Norris at 33 not after. And nope he never led a team in scoring after 33 either, at 34 he put up 74 pnts, then 34 pnts the next season between( Hart and Phi), then 29, then 14 between two teams again (Chi and Car), then 40 and then 4.

      As for Last Season, Karlsson may have led his team by 30 but his team hasn’t made the playoffs since 18-19, before he got there they had only missed the playoffs twice since 97-98.

      And as you can see above Caleb, Karlsson doesn’t out score anyone, he is on the negative side of the Goal differential through half of his seasons and the bad seasons are so bad that his totals are below water.

      As for the Oilers, ah, when was the last time they won a Cup. They may be playing run and gun hockey, but it isn’t doing them any good even with McDavid and Draisaitl in their prime.

      As for Lindstrom, yes he did play well after 33, won a couple of Norris trophies, I can’t deny that however
      1) there are always outliers
      2) Lindstrom could also clean up his own zone, he was +450 by the end of his career, Karlsson is -103.

      In the end digging for that one player to justify a point only shows that trading for Karlsson was not the smartest move by a long stretch. Trying to find the next Karlsson would have been, as Detroit did when they drafted Lindstrom to find the next Paul Coffey. Detroit got ahead of the play rather than chase it. They even found a way (because there was no Cap back then) to have Coffey and Lindstrom on the same team.

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