A little less than a month ago, I posted an article showing that last season’s opening night line-up was 30.0 years old while this season’s opening night’s line-up was projected to be 30.9 years of age, almost a full year older. The team was the third oldest team in the league last season.
Lo and behold, when the puck dropped the other night, the average age of our Pittsburgh Penguins’ line-up ended up being 30.9, just as projected.
As bad as that was, yesterday I read a notice from our Penguins top farm club, the Wilkes Barre – Scranton (WBS) Penguins, that talked about how WBS Coach J.D. Forrest cut his training camp roster to 28, sending Jordan Frasca, Ty Glover, Dillon Hamaliuk, Lukas Svejkovsky, and Taylor Gauthier down a little deeper to the Penguins affiliate in the ECHL, the Wheeling Nailers.
The news of Frasca’s, Hamaliuk’s, Svejkovsky’s, and Gauthier’s demotions was a red flag. Frasca and Hamaliuk played great in the Prospects Challenge and Gauthier was the best Goalie in the preseason. I had to look deeper into this atrocity.
Farm teams are supposed to be stocked with prospects. Prospects are players that the team projects will eventually mature into NHL level players. They go there to learn how to play the game and get better.
The prime years of a Forward in the NHL ranges between 22 and 27. Defenseman and Goalies take a little longer to mature with 26 to about 32 being their prime years. Regardless of position, after 24 you really aren’t a prospect anymore. You are in your prime our older.
Therefore, I looked to see who was all left on the roster, it was shocking!
Prospects | Po | Hgt | Wgt | Age |
Belliveau, Isaac | LD | 74 | 179 | 20 |
Hayes, Avery | RW | 70 | 175 | 21 |
Blomqvist, Joel | G | 74 | 187 | 21 |
Poulin, Sam | C | 74 | 213 | 22 |
Smith, Ty | LD | 71 | 180 | 23 |
Lee, Justin | LD | 72 | 195 | 23 |
Gruden, Jonathan | C | 72 | 170 | 23 |
Houde, Sam | C | 72 | 172 | 23 |
Puustinen, Valtteri | RW | 69 | 183 | 23 |
St. Ivany, Jack | RD | 75 | 195 | 24 |
Andonovski, Corey | RW | 73 | 195 | 24 |
Jagger, Joshua | LW | 75 | 210 | 24 |
Samorukov, Dmitri | LD | 75 | 188 | 24 |
Has Beens/Never Was | ||||
Nylander, Alex | RW | 73 | 192 | 25 |
Koppanen, Joona | LW | 77 | 210 | 25 |
Filipe, Matt | LW | 74 | 196 | 25 |
Pitlick, Rem | C | 71 | 186 | 26 |
Rueschhoff, Austin | C | 79 | 230 | 26 |
White, Colin | C | 73 | 194 | 26 |
Johnstone, Marc | RW | 72 | 181 | 27 |
Friedman, Mark | RD | 71 | 185 | 27 |
Zohorna, Radim | C | 78 | 235 | 27 |
Johnsson, Andreas | LW | 70 | 195 | 28 |
Hinostroza, Vinnie | RW | 70 | 180 | 29 |
Ouellet, Xavier | LD | 72 | 200 | 30 |
Sparks, Garret | G | 75 | 205 | 30 |
Hellberg, Magnus | G | 78 | 220 | 32 |
Fedun, Taylor | RD | 73 | 200 | 35 |
Fifteen of the 28 players on the WBS Penguins training camp roster are no longer really prospects but supposedly in their prime or past their prime, more than half. Actually, they are oxygen thieves stealing valuable ice time from kids who are just developing.
No wonder this team has not developed a prospect, they don’t value them. They want to stockpile their farm system with has-beens and never was s. The archaeologist mentality of their NHL level Coach, Mike Sullivan permeates all the way through their top farm club.
I have said this truism before and I am saying it again, inherent to the term coach is teacher. Unfortunately, the top 2 Coaches in this team don’t want to teach.
This Penguins team will continue its inexorable decline into a bottomless abyss until such time as the absolutely absurd protocols of burying true prospects so far out of the galaxy that even traveling through worm holes could not possibly get them back.
One alleged “expert” from another site tried to chide fans who are fed up with Sullivan’s “hatred of kids” (the alleged expert’s words not mine – I would have been far less kind) saying that Zohorna and Drew O’Connor were going to make the roster. First of all, Zohorna didn’t make the opening night roster. Furthermore, even if he had, Zohorna is 27 and O’Connor 25; they are not kids, they are in their prime.
Captain Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, and Kris Letang…. They ain’t what they used to be and they can’t keep carrying this old gray mare.
It is 6 years past time for change. The system is broken and killing this team.
Way too many Pittsburghers call for Steelers’ Coach Mike Tomlin’s head while kissing the ground the Penguins’ Coach walks on. There is something wrong with this, big time.
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The Other Rick
Great article. Let me start by saying that Minor League teams are always caught between developing
their young prospects and making sure they keep local supporters happy, and putting a quality
product on the ice. For selfish reasons you and I would like to see nothing but 20 year olds getting the
majority of ice time in WBS. This article peaked my interest so I went to a site that listed every AHL team
in WBS Division to calculate the average age of each team with the exception of Charlotte. Below are
the results.
WBS - 25.4
Hershey - 25.3
Providence - 24.2
Bridgeport - 25.6
Springfield - 24.6
Lehigh Val - 24.6
I thought it was interesting to see most of the minor league teams employ similar aged
players. I know their are always variables - I didn't have time to do every AHL Team so I
focused on WBS Division but I'm pretty confident the results would be comparable.
GO PENS
Hey Mike,
Thanks, not only for your comments but urging me to a deeper investigation.
Looking at the Eliteprospects website,
Last season our WBS Penguins ranked
2nd Youngest team at 24.77
10th Least experienced at 4.938 years exp.
12th shortest at 6-1"/185.14cm
11th lightest at 193lbs/87.51kg
and 16th in terms of number of players used at 43
This season, at the moment Eliteprospects lists us as
5th oldest - What a serious jump from 2nd youngest to 5th oldest - yikes!!!!
10th most experienced
19th shortest at 6-1"/186cm
15th lightest at 193lbs/87.66kg
and 8th in terms of number of players on the roster at 29
What bothers me most is that legitimate prospects like Frasca, Svejtkovsky, Hamaliuk, and Gauthier are in the ECHL while pathetic veterans like Hellberg and Sparks are in WBS. In the off-season the team loaded itself down with cast-offs from so many other teams that it has crippled player develop.
It is interesting that PGH, WAS and NYI farm teams are the oldest as those 3 teams seem to want to keep looking in the rear view mirror
WOW, Other Rick, great stuff! Really thought-provoking and original.
I don't have time to respond in a way that does your article justice right now. But you twang a lot of (discordant) chords. Again, great stuff!
Truly eye-opening.
Rick